Why Do Mormons Still Support Bush So Strongly?

December 3, 2006 at 4:32 am | Posted in America, American politics, Cheney, Christianity, Church, Congress, Democracy, Democrats, Iran, Iraq, Israel, King George, Lebanon, Military, Mormon, Religion, Republicans, Rumsfeld, Syria, War on Terror | 12 Comments

I’m really befuddled. Why do so many Mormons still support Bush?

Just today, his departing Secretary of Defense, Mr. Donald Rumsfeld sent Bush a memo which he, no doubt, leaked to the press as well, which in effect calls the Iraq strategy a failure. One fascinating aspect about this memo is how he recommends the very same policy John Murtha recommended ONE YEAR AGO! Here is what Rumsfeld said:

Another option calls for redeploying American troops from “vulnerable positions” in Baghdad and other cities to safer areas in Iraq or Kuwait, where they would act as a “quick reaction force.” That idea is similar to a plan suggested by Representative John P. Murtha, a Pennsylvania Democrat, a plan that the White House has soundly rebuffed.

Here is what John Murtha said one year ago:

I said over a year ago, and now the military and the Administration agrees, Iraq can not be won “militarily.” I said two years ago, the key to progress in Iraq is to Iraqitize, Internationalize and Energize. I believe the same today. But I have concluded that the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq is impeding this progress.

Our troops have become the primary target of the insurgency. They are united against U.S. forces and we have become a catalyst for violence. U.S. troops are the common enemy of the Sunnis, Saddamists and foreign jihadists. I believe with a U.S. troop redeployment, the Iraqi security forces will be incentivized to take control. A poll recently conducted shows that over 80% of Iraqis are strongly opposed to the presence of coalition troops, and about 45% of the Iraqi population believe attacks against American troops are justified. I believe we need to turn Iraq over to the Iraqis.
I believe before the Iraqi elections, scheduled for mid December, the Iraqi people and the emerging government must be put on notice that the United States will immediately redeploy. All of Iraq must know that Iraq is free. Free from United States occupation. I believe this will send a signal to the Sunnis to join the political process for the good of a “free” Iraq.

My plan calls:

To immediately redeploy U.S. troops consistent with the safety of U.S. forces.
To create a quick reaction force in the region.
To create an over- the- horizon presence of Marines.
To diplomatically pursue security and stability in Iraq

This war needs to be personalized. As I said before I have visited with the severely wounded of this war. They are suffering.

Because we in Congress are charged with sending our sons and daughters into battle, it is our responsibility, our OBLIGATION to speak out for them. That’s why I am speaking out.

Our military has done everything that has been asked of them, the U.S. can not accomplish anything further in Iraq militarily. IT IS TIME TO BRING THEM HOME.

This was the typical reaction from Republicans:

Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) declared: “Murtha and Democratic leaders have adopted a policy of cut and run. They would prefer that the United States surrender to the terrorists who would harm innocent Americans. To add insult to injury, this is done while the president is on foreign soil.”

Here is another conservative:

In a statement that has angered, embarrassed and humiliated Marines around the globe, one of our own — a retired Marine Corps Reserve colonel — has called for the legendary fighting force to retreat from Iraq and surrender to the terrorist organization that has killed thousands of Americans at home and abroad. He has even called for the United States to enter into negotiations with al Qaeda. This vermin’s demand for retreat, surrender and negotiations with the enemy is so committed to assisting al Qaeda in their efforts in Iraq that he has posted his unspeakable demands on his website in the form of an official statement.

The traitor, Democratic Rep. John P. Murtha, agrees 100% with Osama bin Laden and Abu Musab al Zarqawi that the Marine Corps, which is mangling the enemy on a daily basis in Iraq and suffering comparatively light casualties, should lay down its arms, call it quits, and abandon the people they are defending in the fledgling democracy of Iraq.

Furious Marines from wars as far back as World War II are spitting mad at the cowardly colonel and many want his head on a stake in the middle of the Marine Corps Commandant’s lawn. Personally, I would not soil that good earth with so vile and despicable a piece of offal.

Encouraging retreat is viewed as aiding the enemy by the Marines and is a violation of Article 104 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which is punishable by death. Currently serving Marines, active duty or reserve, who encourage surrender are in violation of Article 100 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, an offense also punishable by death. Because Murtha is retired, he is virtually assured of not being prosecuted.

However, he will be celebrated by al Qaeda and other terrorists around the world. At this very moment, al Qaeda communications specialists are likely prepping pieces of propaganda using Murtha’s traitorous tirade as a tool to recruit fresh killers by showing them that even an American Marine (apologies to Puller) believes his allegedly beloved Corps is so inept in battle that retreat and surrender are the Marines’ best option and perhaps should, in fact, be added for the first time to the Leathernecks’ vast, quasi-mythical repertoire of operational art and battlefield strategy.

Murtha joins the likes of traitor Clayton Lonetree, the Marine security guard who gave top-secret intelligence to the Soviets, and traitor Robert Garwood, the Marine who went over to the enemy during the Vietnam War and was involved in holding and abusing US prisoners of war in North Vietnam while wearing the uniform of the enemy.

The Marine Corps is famous for its members standing their ground and winning fights against outrageous odds. Battles with names like the Peking Legation, Belleau Wood, Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, the Chosin Reservoir, Khe Sanh and Fallujah decorate the hallowed halls of Corps history. Especially repugnant is how Murtha is insisting upon surrender while the Marines are decimating the enemy en masse.

Marines should ask Murtha if Chesty Puller would order retreat and surrender before the enemy.

John “The Jellyfish” Murtha should be shunned by all Marines and, if possible, legal steps should be taken to prevent this betrayer from being buried in a national cemetery upon his demise.

And yet another:

Jack Murtha’s call for immediate disengagement took him far outside the boundaries of legitimate disagreement. He has never been able to articulate any plausible basis for his position on Iraq. There is a simple reason for that. There isn’t one.

Reasonable people cannot differ about whether or not the United States should press forward with our war against the terror masters. For the time being Iraq is inevitably the principal front in that war. A congressman who tries to duck his share of the responsibility for prosecuting that war is displaying moral cowardice. Any American who recommends retreat is injuring his own country and calling his own patriotism into question.

Almost all the Democrats in the House understand this, which is why only three of them would vote on the record for retreat.

We mark the boundaries of legitimate disagreement by the way we characterize arguments that lie outside them. What Jack Murtha did last week wasn’t just wrong. It was cowardly and disloyal. That’s the truth and Jack Murtha deserves to hear it.

But, Mr. Murtha was right. And now the departing Secretary of Defense agrees with Mr. Murtha’s recommendation. I wonder if we will hear the same venom, the same call for his head from these same people as they did to Mr. Murtha. I doubt it.

Anyways, that’s a side topic. Let’s get back to Bush. His departing Secretary of Defense released a memo that states clearly that their Iraq policy is not working. Meanwhile, Bush continues to look cheerful even as he says:

“I recognize that the recent violence in Iraq has been unsettling,” Bush said.

Unsettling? Fifty-One people just died today in three coordinated market blasts. Unsettling? Why do Mormons still back this guy?

Worse yet, no leader in the Middle East supposedly trusts the Bush Administration to get it right.

But instead of flaunting stronger ties and steadfast American influence, the president’s journey found friends both old and new near a state of panic. Mideast leaders expressed soaring concern over upheavals across the region that the United States helped ignite through its invasion of Iraq and push for democracy — and fear that the Bush administration may make things worse.

President Bush’s summit in Jordan with the Iraqi prime minister proved an awkward encounter that deepened doubts about the relationship. Vice President Dick Cheney’s stop in Riyadh, the Saudi capital, yielded a blunt warning from the kingdom’s leaders. And Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice’s swing through the West Bank and Israel, intended to build Arab support by showing a new U.S. push for peace, found little to work with.

In all, visits designed to show the American team in charge ended instead in diplomatic embarrassment and disappointment, with U.S. leaders rebuked and lectured by Arab counterparts. The trips demonstrated that U.S. allies in the region were struggling to understand what to make of the difficult relationship, and to figure whether, with the new Democratic-majority Congress, Bush even has control over his nation’s Mideast policy.

The Saudis are warning Cheney, Rice gets at best a cool reception in Israel and Palestine, Bush was snubbed by the man he needs desparately in Jordan, King Abdullah of Jordan warns of more civil wars in the Middle East. Meanwhile, Iran continues quietly to build their nuclear program. Syria continues interfering in Lebanon, and the world now further distrusts America.

So I ask again, my Mormon friends, why do so many Mormons still think this guy is a good guy? Do we not believe that by their fruits we shall know them? What are the fruits of President Bush? A divided America, civil war in Iraq, further civil wars possible throughout the Middle East, no one trusting Bush. Could any president have done more to weaken America’s standing in the world than Bush has these past six years? No. That’s not only bad for America, but that’s also bad for our church. I am asking that you join with me in calling for the resignation or impeachment of President George W. Bush. Believe in your conservative principles. Where’s the shrinking of the government? I’ve not seen it these past six years. Where’s the fiscal responsibility? Why are we putting our wars on credit cards for our children to pay? Why are we going to war with countries based on faulty intelligence, and then when things start going bad, we blindly, stupidly, stubbornly say we need to “stay the course,” when staying the course is the worst possible option to choose? There are so many things wrong with the Bush administration, so many ways that they act counter to Conservative principles. How can you guys still back him? Is it because he throws you a bone—whether it be gay marriage, or abortion, or tax cuts—so you stay mollified and silent while he goes counter to all your other conservative principles?

I pray that you consider my request. Before this gets even worse. Think about it, how can Bush act effectively with the rest of the world if he is no longer taken seriously by anyone?

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  1. I am L.D.S. I voted for President Bush ( which I now deeply regret)

    I could not agree more with everything that you said. When Mitt Romney was asked about the Bush Torture bill and the attacks on our Constitutional Rights …. Our L.D.S. candidate for president said “I stand four square behind giving President Bush whatever he needs” … I almost threw up.

    I wrote a book. The damage that President Bush has done is one of the topics of this book.. If you want to download a free copy go to the following link. But you will need to save the book to your hard drive because this is my ‘validation review link’ The book is now going to print and the link will be turned off after the holidays.

    The Link to “Engines of World War III:

    Click to access 0595344070b.pdf

  2. I am a latter day saint and agree whole heartedly with your point. When will the saints “awake to this awful situation?” I never have voted for Bush as I saw him for who he truly is – a front man for the globalists, bankers and war interests.

    The book of Mormon is a parallel for our day and it warns us of “scheming leaders” like Bush. It says the “wicked stir up the hearts of others unto bloodshed” Is this not what this president has done in promoting these wars? WE are told the constitution was established by men raised up by the Lord. Yet latter day saints support a man who has launched wars without congressional declaration, signed the patiot act and military commisions act which effectively nullify the bill of rights. Where do our loyalties lie? With the president who uses the constitution for toilet paper, or with our inspired founding document? We have arrived at the moment Joseph Smith prophesied when he said the “constitution would hang by a thread”. What is sad about this is that so many of the saints have been complicit in the constitutions demise by supporting this president.

    The book of mormon is steadfast in its warning to us that we are only to shed blood in self defense and warns us that if we go up against our enemies on their soil the Lord will not support us in that undertaking and we will be delivered into the hands of our enemies. This fact is why we are not and will not win this war in either Iraq or Afghanistan. those who think that if we just spend more money or send more troops are sorely mistaken. This will end in failure no matter what we do over there.

    I invite all Saints and those who love and cherise Liberty to awake and withdraw their support for these wicked leaders!

  3. The book of mormon is steadfast in its warning to us that we are only to shed blood in self defense

    What then would you make of Nephi and Laban? Or of Moroni’s actions as found in Alma 46:35?

  4. Yes, Nephi did kill Laban when he was defenseless, and Moroni threatened Amalikiahs people with death if they didnt defend liberty. This proves that there are indeed exceptions to every rule.

    Nephi was commanded by the Lord to kill Laban. This was done I would suppose so that Laban could not awaken from his drunken stupor, find the plates missing and then send his guards out to hunt down Lehi’s family. When the Lord commands you to do something, you do it. I seriously doubt the Lord came to George Bush and said “george, go slay Saddam”

    Moroni threatened to put Amalikiah and his followers to death since they proposed overturning the free society and laws protecting free agency and establishing themselves as kings over the land. Essentially they were traitors to the cause of liberty and were proposing a coup d’etat. This was a such a serious threat that Moroni made them take an oath to defend liberty or die and rightly so. (I would like to see our Generals tell George Bush and Dick Cheney that they better live up to their oath of office to defend the constitution or they will be put to death!)

    Many of the saints think of George Bush in this context that he is some kind of Moroni holding up the title of liberty and threatening the “terrorists” with death unless they uphold liberty. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    Bush, instead of making the terrorists swear an oath of liberty, he has tortured them in gulags, shot missles at them from predator drones killing many innocent civilians, dropped bombs on cities in an attempt to kill them, taking out scores of innocents.

    All the meanwhile instead of defending the title of liberty at home (our constitution) he has done everything in his power to consolidate his control by establishing laws that destroy our liberty (patriot act, military commisions act and others and mortgaging our childrens future with terrible, immoral deficit spending).

    Contrast this:
    “Behold, I am Moroni, your chief captain. I seek not for power, but to pull it down”

    with this: spoken by Dick Cheney
    “I believe in a strong, robust executive authority”

    Yes, there are rare cases when we would kill someone when not defending ourselves. But I am referring to warfare, and the book of mormon and Doctrine and Covenants both state that we are to go to war only in self defense.

  5. So we establish then that immediate self defense is not the rule.

    As for God telling President Bush to remove Saddam Hussein from power, why couldn’t he have? I don’t mean to say that He visited him directly, but that wasn’t the case with Nephi and Laban either. I’m not sure if He told Pres Bush to do anything, but I won’t rule it out offhand. The Book of Mormon teaches that the Spirit guided Columbus to the Americas, and history shows that he wan’t necessarily the greatest guy around, or that he treated the indigenous people all that well when he got here. But the fact remains that he was led here by the Spirit.

    Now, as for warfare and self defense. I am inclined to think that warfare is simply Nephi/Laban on a grander scale. However, there is a scriptural and historical basis for going beyond just “attack only if you are attacked.”

    First, WWII. It’s my opinion we should have gotten involved much sooner. The writing was on the wall for some time before Pearl Harbor. Also, while Japan attacked us first, we immediately declared war not only on them, but on Germany as well.

    Second, Captain Moroni’s epistles to Ammoron. In Alma 54 we find this:

    12 And behold, if ye do not this, I will come against you with my armies; yea, even I will arm my women and my children, and I will come against you, and I will follow you even into your own land, which is the land of aour first inheritance; yea, and it shall be blood for blood, yea, life for life; and I will give you battle even until you are destroyed from off the face of the earth.
    13 Behold, I am in my anger, and also my people; ye have sought to amurder us, and we have only sought to defend ourselves. But behold, if ye seek to destroy us more we will seek to destroy you; yea, and we will seek our land, the land of our first inheritance.

    He basically threatened to not only defend himself, but to wipe Ammoron’s people off the face of the map. To me, that doesn’t fall into the area of self defense. Unless you grant that simply driving Ammoron back into his own lands would only result in him coming back for more later on. Either way, I think it parallels closely with Iraq.

    One more thing, President Hinckley spoke in General Conference in April 2003. His talk was titled War and Peace. He spoke a bit about Iraq. I think it applies to this conversation as well.

  6. Cameron,

    I appreciate your perspective on this topic. You make some very good points. However, in reference to Moroni threatening Ammoron, Moroni makes mention that Ammoron’s land at one time belonged to the nephites.

    (“which is the land of our first inheritance”) (“and we will seek our land, the land of our first inheritance.”)

    So the comparison here is not quite the same in that America has no claim on Iraq or any land in the middle east. If we once owned that land and it was stolen from us and we were now taking it back that would make sense.

    The other point is that Iraq had no connection to the 911 attacks. It was carried out by 16 Saudis and 3 other non iraqis. No matter how you look at this, I cant see how attacking Iraq is justified since they have not attacked America and it was never our land to be reclaimed.

    I have read and pondered “war and peace” many times and I believe that there is more to this talk than meets the eye. Most saints think he is approving of the iraqi invasion, but if this is true, then why did Elder Russell Nelsen in the fall general conference (2002) tell us that we are to renounce war and proclaim peace, and he encouraged the government leaders not to go to war but to negotiate? Why would the church leadership say don’t fight and then 6 months later turn around and say the war is justified and righteous?

    Read “war and peace again and really ponder some of it’s points. It isnt exactly a ringing endorsement. He even talks about the “empires of the past who have a dark overlay of conquest and brutality” This is clearly a reference to the United States.

    The war in Iraq is for money and power, plain and simple. It is to enrich goverment contractors and to capture the oil wealth of the middle east. Bush is the face of the secret combinations of our day.

    Did you hear what Bush said at President Ford’s funeral?

    “And when he thought that the nation needed to put Watergate behind us, he made the tough and decent decision to pardon President Nixon”

    So, letting a criminal president walk is Bush’s idea of “decent”?

    Here is what The Book of Mormon says about that in contrast:

    Hel 7:5 “Condemning the righteous because of their righteousness; letting the guilty and the wicked go unpunished because of their money; and moreover to be held in office at the head of government, to rule and do according to their wills, that they might get gain and glory of the world, and, moreover, that they might the more easily commit adultery, and steal, and kill, and do according to their own wills—”

    The Book of Mormon is a parallel for our day, isnt it uncanny how close that parallel really is?

    Also, do some google searches on the 1st presidency during WWII. You will find that they were against American involvement in that war. Think about what happened to the world because of our involvement. Eastern europe and most of Asia came under Communist rule and subsequentlly over 50 million people in those countries were murdered and millions more deprived of thier liberty. Americans think WWII was a noble cause and that we saved the world form tyranny, but in reality something far worse than fascism was unleashed. The Nazis and Japanese were stopped because of America, but Communism was propped up on two continents. If America had just listend to the brethren who counseled “armed neutrality” in that war, things might have turned out better for everyone.

  7. Marc,

    I have pondered your comments, and while they deserve more thought and research, I will respond a bit now.

    First, Ammoron’s land wasn’t Ammoron’s. But it wasn’t Moroni’s either. It was Lehi’s. The “land of our first inheritance” is Lehi’s family’s land. Nephi and his followers abandoned that land early in the Book of Mormon. Moroni, as a Nephite, had no more claim to that land than the Lamanites did. So the justification for his actions cannot be that he was simply reclaiming old Nephite lands. The question then remains, what was his justification?

    Next, I appreciate you bringing Elder Nelson’s talk to my attention. I have read it and will continue to read and ponder it and will reply shortly. The same can be said for your reference to the Church’s stance in WWII.

    Finally, you look at President Bush and see secret combinations. Perhaps you are right. However, what do you make of groups the likes of Al Queda? Are there no secret combinations lurking in their worldwide terrorist cells? Are there no Gadianton Robber-like designs to overthrow governments? Do they not lure angry dissenters from other people? Do they not incite people to war one with another?

  8. Cameron,

    I appreciate your reply. I can tell you are thoughtful and seek the truth. Very refreshing in that most of the latter day saints I talk to won’t consider any alternatives to thier point of view. I wish I had all the answers on this. It really requires study and a prayerful approach

    I would encourage you to study the words of Ezra
    Benson. He was adamate that the people involved in secret combinations, were Americans in Wash DC.

    The BOM tells us that the more righteous nephites were “suduced to partake of the spoils of the Gadaintons”

    Question: If the BOM is a parallel to our day, do you think that the Latter day saints would ever be “seduced” by the terrorist cells? They have no spoils to offer us, however our government has many spoils to offer us. (welfare, government jobs with high wage and benefits, etc.)

    Many latter day saints support unconstitutional programs as long as they benefit. They have been seduced.

    Here is my take on the situation in a nutshell: The war on terror is a ploy to distract Americans and to get them to give up thier constitution.

    Have you wondered why the Bush adminstration has ignore the illegal immigrant problem when 80% of Americans want something done? We are fighting a no win war in the middle east to “protect america”, yet leave the borders wide open for anyone to come into the country?

    Bush in 2005 signed a treaty with Canada and Mexico to erase our borders and create a super state called “The North American Union”. It will be implemented this year and will move us one step closer to world government and the loss of the constitution.

    Did you notice Bush invited the mexican army into New Orleans after hurricane katrina? That was a trial balloon to see if americans would object to foriegn troops on our soil. They didnt object so we will likely see more foriegn troops here to enforce edicts of world goverment. (this since american troops wont shoot unruly americans but the mexican troops will!)

    I highly recommend a website called latterdayconservative.com. It has great resources from the latter day prophets on this subject and will help you to understand our “awful situation” better. Check out the downloads section and the forum.

    Thanks again Bro Cameron!

  9. I am from Sweden and have a different point of view since i am not from USA. I have studied your country for a very long time and i have also studied world politics, history and religion. first i want to say that i am a mormon since i was a kid. I know the church is true, restored by Joseph Smith, the book of mormon is true and also the bible. And i believe in the leadership of the church. But i want to let you know that you are more in danger that you ever could imagine. Dont take easy on this. The warning will become global in due time when God approves it. But i believe firmly that you are sealing your own faith because of your disbelief in God and holding ALL his commandments. There is a shadow government in USA. This shadow government is behind World Trade Center attacks 2001. They want ultimately a global world government and a global leader. within 10-20 years they can reach their goals. But something most dramatically must happen for the people of the world to give up their liberties. I can not explain everything here but it is clear that your country is on the bridge of destruction, but it doesnt show, all your buildings still stand, the traffic runs as usual, all is well in sion. Right?

    The prophet is fooled, all the leadership in the church is deceived. But is the church false? are they fallen? NO.
    There is time to repent, to realise the truth. God is testing you. You have stopped thinking for yourself a long time ago and relied all your trust on the leadership in the church. How can people like that ever become Gods?

    I will stop here but anyone who would like to talk to me on MSN is free to add me, i would be glad to help people to be enlightened.

    my msn is truthwalker@hotmail.com

    The truth shall set you free

    Amen

  10. Real americans Support BUSH . Because All democrats are Communist / ALQaeda Supporting TRAITORS. THEY should be ARRESTED and put in jail for TREASON.

  11. Then I guess 72% of Americans are communist, al-qaeda supporting traitors who should be arrested and put in jail for treason. That’s one way to reduce population…

  12. I am LDS, I am conservative. I am not Rep. or Dem.

    Most appropriately I am Paleo-Conservative.

    I know this will sound closed minded but I will try to explain well.

    I have thought about the idea of people debating Bush from an LDS point for a while. I keep thinking that yes things are up to discuss and that is freedom itself. However, the more I dwell on it the more I feel confused about any person LDS liking him.

    Google the video of him admitting that it has nothing to do with 9-11. He says we don’t torture then vetoes the water-boarding ban.

    He has lied countless times and continues. America(The majority…by big margin) doesn’t like him. His election was shaky.

    He gives us no answers and does nothing for our image. The world hates us and we are far more in danger now than ever before.

    Being LDS I believe in peace. That is conservative. To stay war unless there is no other way. I saw many other ways besides Bush’s and the problem is that HE NEVER LISTENS to ANY OF THEM!!

    I once thought that all mormons liked him and it bothered me but the more I get out the more I learn.

    I would say maybe 10-25 percent like him who are 18-30 maybe 35 and older it’s probably about 70 percent like him.

    The problem is that the internet makes thing VERY available now. We can see more of Bush than Washington will admit to itself.

    I don’t think we are at the end yet but I think we’ve crossed the line and we float with danger more everyday.

    Being LDS I believe in Agency. I do not believe that we have the right to impose a democracy on a country that some want it but that there are still plenty of bombings and fighting against it now that we have NO RIGHT to force them to have it.

    We are extending the American flag under a different label…it is un-American and to me is very non-LDS

    If it were not for being my home, where family is, where the church head is, where zion will be, I would have left the U.S. a long time ago.

    I know many people LDS who are in the ‘thinking’ crowd that think this way and yet they never get attention from anyone else.

    The greatest will be ready. Those who only see one side of the Chess board will lose their king.


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