Glen Beck: Thinking About Killing Michael Moore

March 1, 2007 at 12:31 pm | Posted in glen beck | 39 Comments

Is this for real? Did Glen Beck really say this? I mean there is his voice, recorded for the world to hear. This is what Glen Beck said in 2005 about Michael Moore:

BECK: Hang on, let me just tell you what I’m thinking. I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I’m wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out — is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus — band — Do, and I’ve lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, “Yeah, I’d kill Michael Moore,” and then I’d see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I’d realize, “Oh, you wouldn’t kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn’t choke him to death.” And you know, well, I’m not sure.

Was he a Mormon before he said this? What Mormon advocates the murder of another human being who is not threatening his own life? What Mormon advocates the murder of anyone for that matter, talks publicly about it to millions of people? Forget the Mormon part, what human being talks openly about how to murder another human being?

And Mormons like this guy?

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  1. What Mormon advocates the murder of another human being who is not threatening his own life?

    Ever hear of the Danites?

  2. What Mormon advocates the murder of another human being who is not threatening his own life?

    Also, Brigham Young! Blood Atonement for the win!

    But, on the larger matter, point well taken about Beck. Maybe he’s a big fan of Bro. Brigham?

  3. anon,

    yeah, blood atonement is usually for those who commit murder, so in effect, blood atonement would be something Mr. Beck would have to do upon committing his heinous crime….

    and in regards to Bro. Brigham at large, can you provide me with any example where he advocates the murder of someone who has not threatened his life?

  4. As for the Danites, did they ever advocate the murder of individuals who were not threatening their own lives?

  5. and in regards to Bro. Brigham at large, can you provide me with any example where he advocates the murder of someone who has not threatened his life?

    http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/blood.htm

    Hey, I’m not anti-Mormon…I am Mormon! But history speaks volumes on this topic.

    Regardless of Brigham Young’s blood atonement, Glen Beck is still a scary guy.

  6. Does this put your testimony in a tail-spin(don’t get all mad over that comment–I’m saying it in sarcastic jest)

    Dan, think of some of the most outlandish stuff you’ve said. Now, as far as I know you haven’t talked about murdering Bush or Cheney but still—you have said some pretty hyperbolic stuff. Regularly. Makes me kind of giggle that you bring this up.

    That being said, I’m not defending the dude at all. I frankly don’t know what he looks like (but I’ve heard of him) but I’ve never heard him say anything that makes me think more or less of him than I do Rush Limbaugh, Hannity and the ilks on both sides…and frankly I think they have done more harm to our democratic process than anything else.

    You said this last week “I guess you can say this particular post is to highlight once again yet another Republican hypocritical stance. They want their cake and eat it too. I know you don’t like these kinds of posts. If you don’t like them, just don’t read them.”

    What I’ve told you time and time again is that I can’t stand this behavior no matter where it comes from. I could care less that you are attacking republicans or democrats. What I hate is hyperbole, polarization, outlandish emotional rhetoric, logical fallacies–they all suck and are lame, lame forms of debate and conversation.

    Saying you want to kill someone? that’s bully posturing hoping someone hears you so they’ll throw a million dollars your way so you can spout your political rhetoric on the airwaves–people will listen, cheer your empty, emotional.

    I’m sure you’ll defend yourself saying you aren’t as bad as Glen Beck, and Dan you aren’t at all. You don’t say you want to murder those you perceive as political enemies. I’m just saying, we all need to work on being a little more christlike.

    Personally, I’m a Mormon first, and it governs my politics.

  7. Oh, and don’t get me started about “identifying” hypocritical behavior. If that’s what you base your politics on then that’s fine..but humans and political parties are hypocritical beasts. If you base your politics on finding the parties with the least “hypocrical” behavior—well then, I honestly question that individuals principles and wonder if they are just someone who “reacts” to everything and has no real firm principles. However, I do know you do have firm principles that guide your life. You are LDS.

  8. I have yet to see ANY political radio shows that don’t have some degree of insanity behind the microphone. If I had a dollar for every time I heard a republican say they wanted to kill Clinton/Moore/etc. and a dollar for every democrat who said they wanted to kill Bush/Cheney/etc. I’d be a billionaire.

  9. Seriously, Have you ever seen the show Network? It was completely prophetic in regards to broadcast television, and I think it could be absolutely applied to the political radio show market.

  10. anon,

    Hey, I’m not anti-Mormon…I am Mormon! But history speaks volumes on this topic.

    No worries, I wasn’t implying you were anti-Mormon. I was just curious if you actually had examples where Bro. Brigham advocated the murder of someone who hadn’t taken the life of another or threatened the life of another.

    Michael Moore, whatever you may think of him, and whatever right-wingers may think of him, has not threatened the life of Glen Beck (as far as we know) and has not murdered anyone (as far as we know). As such, is the advocation of the taking of his life justified even by the doctrine of blood atonement?

  11. Sherpa,

    Does this put your testimony in a tail-spin

    Hardly, but with the amount of Mormons that I’ve seen be supportive of Mr. Beck, I do wonder about my fellow Mormons and how strongly they actually believe in their religion. I think it is a fair question to ask, seeing that Mr. Beck just advocated the murder of another person.

    This isn’t a matter of outlandish hyperbole. When you start talking about the murder of human beings you are far over the edge of what is decent, reasonable, and well, perhaps even lawful. He’s threatening Mr. Moore’s life. Should this threat be taken seriously? Probably not, but in the age of school shootings, suicide bombers, mad workers turning their guns on their co-workers, well, I don’t take any such threat lightly, and neither should you.

    What I hate is hyperbole, polarization, outlandish emotional rhetoric, logical fallacies–they all suck and are lame, lame forms of debate and conversation.

    From my own words in the post above, what is emotional rhetoric? What is hyperbolic? What is a logical fallacy?

    Saying you want to kill someone?

    Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but usually when you say you want to kill someone, especially when you start talking about just how you’d do it, (strangling him so he can see you with his eyes), that’s pretty sick stuff.

  12. cewsmoke,

    I avoid talk radio like the plague. Horrible horrible stuff.

  13. I was just curious if you actually had examples where Bro. Brigham advocated the murder of someone who hadn’t taken the life of another or threatened the life of another.

    Did you read the link I posted?

    Also, a recent post on By Common Consent had evidence of Brigham Young advocating the death of anyone who married inter-racially (starting at around comment #86 and throughout the thread):

    http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2007/02/uh-oh/#more-2499

  14. From my own words in the post above, what is emotional rhetoric? What is hyperbolic? What is a logical fallacy?

    Dan, this is yet again an example of your “leading questions” Sorry dude, but I’m smarter than that to fall for that. So, you want me to find emotional rhetoric, hyperperboles, and logical fallacies in your writings on this blog? That’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

    I do wonder about my fellow Mormons and how strongly they actually believe in their religion. I think it is a fair question to ask, seeing that Mr. Beck just advocated the murder of another person
    Dan, as a fellow mormon, all I can see is its best to worry about your own salvation. When you start wondering and judging the salvation of others, that puts you on slippery slope. One I honestly don’t feel like being on. All you can do is lend a kind arm to others because people don’t listen to you beating them up or questioning their religious beliefs. You don’t listen to it, why would they?

    Oh and that sentence—I told you not to take it seriously. I threw it out in jest, just as I say it.

    This isn’t a matter of outlandish hyperbole.

    Dan,this is what I said :Saying you want to kill someone? that’s bully posturing hoping someone hears you so they’ll throw a million dollars your way so you can spout your political rhetoric on the airwaves–people will listen, cheer your empty, emotional spewings.”

    That’s what I said. Dan, outlandish hyperbole is in the same class as what this guy said in context. Hyperbole is exaggeration. This is exaggeration. I’m not defending this guy, but I’m not backing from what I said and what I’ve told you where I stand on What I hate is hyperbole, polarization, outlandish emotional rhetoric, logical fallacies. Using those aren’t christlike behavior either.

    When you start talking about the murder of human beings you are far over the edge of what is decent, reasonable, and well, perhaps even lawful.

    Dan, I said “I’m sure you’ll defend yourself saying you aren’t as bad as Glen Beck, and Dan you aren’t at all. ” I also said” That being said, I’m not defending the dude at all.” There’s a reason I said that, being that I know how you think.

    Should this threat be taken seriously? Probably not, but in the age of school shootings, suicide bombers, mad workers turning their guns on their co-workers, well, I don’t take any such threat lightly, and neither should you.

    Dan, I didn’t say I took it lightly. However, you’re reasoning and usage of logic and manipulation of me and what I should think? Seriously suspect.

    Maybe I’m old-fashioned, but usually when you say you want to kill someone, especially when you start talking about just how you’d do it, (strangling him so he can see you with his eyes), that’s pretty sick stuff.

    Wow, talk about taking what I said out of context. Seriously dan. That’s kind of lame. You can debate better than that.

  15. anon,

    I didn’t read down that far on the BCC thread but thank you for pointing it out. It was definitely fascinating read. I gotta keep in mind to read further on such threads; there are some really good church historians among the bloggernacle.

    That said, I tend to cringe whenever I read any Bro. Brigham stuff, because of several reasons. 1. They are many times taken out of context, and 2. He himself had some weird beliefs about things.

    That said, Bro. Brigham’s words don’t excuse or justify or explain Mr. Beck’s desire to kill Michael Moore. Generally speaking, Bro. Brigham wrote about the death of individuals who in some fashion broke what he saw as a commandment of God. Glen Beck’s desire to kill Michael Moore doesn’t rise out of a desire to see eternal justice done.

  16. I can’t help but wonder if Mr. Beck has been informed that his cable news/talk show is “on the bubble” and he’s just doing stupid stuff to try and boost the ratings.

    We used to get his radio show for a while in the Sacramento area, but the station manager of the station that carried him apparently came to his senses and dropped him. When he first showed up, he made it known that he is LDS, and so I listened for a while to see what he had to say, but it wasn’t long before I came away disappointed (bigtime!) with what I was hearing.

  17. Glen Beck’s desire to kill Michael Moore doesn’t rise out of a desire to see eternal justice done.

    So, um…how do you know this?

  18. Sherpa,

    I think you need to chill. Seriously. You focus waaaaaay too much on my own words and not on the things I quote others saying. Further, and this is criticism of you, I don’t see you doing this to other people. You continually focus on me. Let me tell you again what I told you in my last email to you. Leave me alone. Let it go, Sherpa. You ain’t changing me, only making me more frustrated at you. Can you not see this yet?

  19. I can’t help but wonder if Mr. Beck has been informed that his cable news/talk show is “on the bubble” and he’s just doing stupid stuff to try and boost the ratings.

    I’m sure that’s what it is. All I’ve heard about him and what I’ve read him write is pure reactionary drivel. In fact, I’m sure he’s probably happy about the fact Dan posted about him today because someone is paying attention to what he’s saying and that means he still has some relativity left.

    The state of mainstream political talkradio is seriously disgusting and as I’ve said before the hyperbole, polarization, outlandish emotional rhetoric, logical fallacies all thrive on talk radio. Its sick.

  20. Sherpa,

    I think you need to chill.

    Dan, If you notice, my first sentence in this blog was a jest. Seriously.. I find it amusing that you are trying to flip my argument to say I’m the one with a problem, when I’m just pointing out stuff. Dan, I’m chill. I’m not the one who took the bait on my first sentence when I told you not to and said in parentheses that it was a joke.

    Seriously. You focus waaaaaay too much on my own words and not on the things I quote others saying.

    Dan, I read what others say. This isn’t what I’m doing at all. What I think you are saying is– You should be so flattered that I read what you write and have told you time and again what you can do to improve your debates. That’s caring.

    i Further, and this is criticism of you, I don’t see you doing this to other people.

    I do, and I have. I have on your blog. I did today actually just a few minutes after I wrote that post.

    You continually focus on me.

    Dan, you aren’t a victim of my wrath. You are not my scape goat.

    Let me tell you again what I told you in my last email to you. Leave me alone.

    And let me tell you what I say in your email to you:
    I reacted in anger, and I shouldn’t have.

    Your original post caught me way off guard, and I should’ve handled it differently than I did. I doubt you’ll read this..and you have every right not to, but you’re a nice guy and you have a lovely family. I feel badly that our friendship is over this. I hope that you can see it in your heart to not be angry with me anymore. If not, I understand. Anyway, that’s it.

    I see you’ve already removed my blogs from your blogroll. That’s totally understandable.

    Let it go, Sherpa. You ain’t changing me, only making me more frustrated at you.

    Dan, when you say these things about mormons, about republicans, that makes them fustrated towards you and you dont’ change their mind. I find it ironic that you of all people feel fustrated at this. Serious irony.

    Can you not see this yet?

    Of course I can. However, I still find it ironic that you are trying to flip this like its my problem. Dan, I wish you were humble and I wrote well enough that you could see that what I’m doing isn’t petty at all. I

  21. Dan, you e-mailed me and caught me way off guard. I reacted in a way I shouldn’t have but I still value your friendship. I like you, I like talking to you and Jaime, and I say what I do because I care, and not because I’m being petty and you are my target. Maybe you don’t see that now, but I think you will someday. Anyway, contention is of the devil so once again I ask for your forgiveness if I offended you in anyway. I also ask that you read what I say and don’t take it as a personal criticism but as something you can learn from.

  22. you could see that what I’m doing isn’t petty at all.

    Then don’t do it. Just stop. Let it go.

  23. One more: I honestly think that if we had this conversation or the one on Gmail in person or at least on IM, we wouldn’t have gotten as mad at each other.

    Anyway Dan, could you um change your style of writing so that we don’t continually have this point of contention between us? Yeah, that would be awesome.

    (That was total in jest, with me teasing you completely. I hope you smiled at that comment and realized that I’m just a tease.)

  24. Dan, its not my problem. There’s nothing to let go.

  25. so, kind of on a sidenote, but is Glenn Beck THAT popular among Mormons? I really don’t know, but anecdotally, most members that I meet, if the fact comes up, are surprised to learn he is Mormon. Is your experience different, Dan? (although, also anecdotally, I have heard a caller or two drop that they are members of the church when they call in…and I’ve only listened to his radio show 2 or 3 times ever).

  26. Anyway Dan, could you um change your style of writing so that we don’t continually have this point of contention between us? Yeah, that would be awesome.

    So um, Sherpa, could you just change your style of approach so that we don’t continually have this point of contention between us? 😉

  27. APJ,

    I know that over on Millennial Star, Geoff really likes him. I’m trying to find a post he wrote last fall about Glen Beck’s conversion, but it seems to have disappeared. From commentary I’ve seen around from conservative Mormons, yes, he is pretty popular.

  28. Daniel,

    Geoff wrote two posts where he mentioned Glenn Beck: this one and this one.

    This is what Geoff had to say about Glenn Beck in his first post:

    Glenn Beck (on in Miami from 9 a.m. to noon. I listen about once a week for a half-hour). Glenn is a member of the Church and will occasionally make reference to it. He will mention that he tries not to watch R-rated movies and that he is repenting from his past life, when he was an alcoholic. Just this morning, he talked about overcoming alcoholism, for example. Glenn’s mantra is that he show is “not about right and left but is about right and wrong.” He emphasizes social issues and I agree with his takes, and I love the fact that he’s not a partisan Republican. Glenn’s opening half-hour is nearly commercial free, which makes him extremely unique. Unfortunately, I am usually at work before he comes on, so I can only listen to him when I am late. He has a great sense of humor and a very different format. Liberals who hate conservative talk show hosts tend to like him because of his edgy style.

    I don’t think Glenn Beck is on in my market, although I know he has a show on CNN or some other cable network.

    Anyhow, you’re a little late to the “hang Glenn Beck party.”

    If you’re interested to read what a conservative wrote about what Beck said, click here.

    Oh, and I’ll take you up on the hypocrisy of the left now…

    Do you remember the bit by Randi Rhodes on Air America about killing President Bush? What say you about that?

    I’ll see your Michael Moore and raise you a POTUS!

  29. What do you make of this Daniel? Here is an actual attempt on our vice president’s life, and these people express their disappointment. That’s truly sick.

  30. Cameron,

    I direct you to Glenn Greenwald who writes far better than I can. The basic point is that, yes, those are very sick individuals. The difference is that those are anonymous commentators, and as such you cannot verify just who they are. Heck, they might just be conservatives trolling to make liberals look bad.

    However, whoever feels disappointment that the vice president is not killed by a suicide bomber is sick.

    Conversely, conservatives who were disappointed that Kofi Annan was not killed by Israeli missiles in Israel’s war with Lebanon last summer, are just as sick.

  31. Brian,

    Anyhow, you’re a little late to the “hang Glenn Beck party.”

    Hey, thanks for stopping by. Yeah, I know this quote was two years old. I just first heard about it now though, and was quite surprised. I guess what caught me so off guard is that Glenn Beck is supposed to be a Mormon, and I guess I have a high standard for Mormons, especially public figures who have more influence on how Mormons are perceived, and I’m pretty troubled that someone like him said something like this.

    I personally never saw Randi Rhodes’ comments before reading your link. Of course, no one should joke, or even be serious about killing anyone, whether it be Michael Moore or the President. The only reason I brought up Beck’s comments is because it was just a shock that a Mormon would say this. Maybe I should stop being shocked that Mormons would say something like this and still have support from Mormons…..

    As far as Geoff’s posts on Beck, there was another one I know he wrote, it was during the switch to the new server, so it probably got lost, but I know he talked about Beck’s conversion. I know it because I commented there that “Glen Beck is a bad boy.”

  32. So um, Sherpa, could you just change your style of approach so that we don’t continually have this point of contention between us?

    Dan, you tried to make a joke! You are trying to chill out. Good job!

  33. I’ll check the sql files I saved prior to the transfer and see if we are missing a Glenn Beck post. I don’t think so, but it’s not impossible.

    What Glenn Beck said was WAY out of line and I don’t think he will ever say anything like that again.

    So, too, with Randi Rhodes. She is one of my favorite liberal talk show hosts. She can be funny and I hope she never pulls another stunt like she did last year.

  34. Thanks Brian. The Internet and the quick ability to erase things sometimes makes me think I’ve dreamt things. But I know I made that comment, and it was last fall. Geoff’s post was linked to an interview Glen Beck gave on some show about his conversion. Here is Danithew linking to the interview on Youtube. This is the one Geoff was talking about.

  35. Do you remember the bit by Randi Rhodes on Air America about killing President Bush? What say you about that?

    Sounds like exactly the kind of speech (political) that the Founding Fathers intended to protect, if you ask me.

    There are loads of people out there who are genuinely convinced that President Bush is a war criminal with lots and lots of blood on his hands for having started the war in Iraq (despite the administration’s recent claims that they weren’t the ones who started it), and that war criminals need jail time at the very least (and probably much much worse). If there was any kind of justice in the world, Bush-Cheney et al would get their own Nuremburg-style trials.

  36. Mark N-

    There is a marked difference between protecting political speech and speech about killing someone. Perhaps it would be worth your while to go to findlaw.com and do some research on first amendment case law.

  37. Nobody minds when I shout “death to traitors!”

    But if I happen to make it clear that I include certain American political leaders in my set of traitors, then everyone gets upset.

    Wishing death on Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden or Kim Jong-Il or any number of “axis of evil” members, however, gets no one in trouble, not on this side of the Atlantic, at least.

    If we’re going to make death threats, we must be sure that they are politically correct.

  38. Are you serious? You…can’t be serious. Its called SARCASM. Look it up in the dictionary and get very acquainted with it, as you have apparently been living under a rock and aren’t very familiar with the word.

  39. Robyn,

    There is sarcasm and there is thinking about killing human beings. I’m well aware of what sarcasm is. Glenn Beck has none.


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