On Violence in Iraq and on Cho Seung-Hui’s Virginia Tech Massacre

April 18, 2007 at 9:27 am | Posted in American politics, Cho Seung-Hui, Iraq, violence, Virginia Tech | 11 Comments

Andrew Sullivan writes:

Imagine that this kind of massacre happened every day. Imagine a police force that was far too small to even respond to most of them. Imagine this occurring repeatedly for years until the perpetrators and their accomplices became the de facto power-brokers throughout the land. Imagine the shootings also being accompanied by the brutal torture of victims. Imagine families never having finality on whether their own siblings or parents or children have been murdered or not.

This is Iraq today. Now think of the justified rage many feel at the VT campus police chief and university president for misjudgments. Now imagine them presiding over several more massacres in the same place. Ask yourself: why do we not feel as enraged by those responsible for security in Iraq? Are those victims not human beings too? Are they not children and mothers and fathers and sons? Are we not ultimately responsible for them, having destroyed the institutions of order in their country? Now go watch John Bolton tell the victims to go help themselves.



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  1. You are right on the mark.
    Invading Iraq has created very, big , tough
    public relations problem.

    “How do you convince an Iraqi mother that has lost a child
    that her child’s death was not the result of the United
    States invading her country?”

  2. Iraq has two Virginia Techs every day.

    And yet nobody seems to care.

  3. I care.

    And I let as many people know as I can.

  4. I have always been flabbergasted by those who look at the civilian deaths in Iraq and write them off as “necessities of war” … flabbergasted and sickened.

  5. You know who cares about the terrorists’ mass murders in Iraq? The American and Coalition soldiers in Iraq who are doing their best to stop the killers. That’s who. If you and other Westerners don’t care what’s happening in Iraq, that’s your problem, but don’t project your shortcomings onto the people who are doing their best, even risking their lives, to help Iraq.

    In terms of Iraq, the Va Tech incident should illustrate how hard it is to stop desperate homicidal-suicidal killers even when it happens in a stable, peaceful part of our own country, and how important it is for us to help the Iraqis rather than abandon them to these murderers.

  6. If you and other Westerners don’t care what’s happening in Iraq

    Yeah, that’s our problem: we just don’t care about how things in Iraq have gone south, big time, since we arrived and disbanded their military and bombed the heck out of their infrastructure and generally trashed the place because certain politicians were determined to fix the facts around their predetermined policy of going to war in Iraq.

    We just don’t care that billions and billions of dollars, which could have provided so much to so many who are needy in the United States, were wasted and have gone completely unaccounted for in Iraq.

    We just don’t care that our cowardly President refused to provide an answer to one woman’s question, “For what noble purpose are our soldiers fighting and dying in Iraq?”

    We just don’t care that tons of correspondence in the form of email messages that are required by law, since the days of Nixon, to be retained by the Executive branch of government have just disappeared into the ether.

    It would be charitable to attribute all of these things to mere incompetence on the part of the Bush administration, but incompetence on this level gets people in normal, non-government jobs fired every day. And yet we’re expected to just shrug our shoulders and say, oh, well, maybe the Bush administration will get its act together before January of 2009 and then just ignore it all.

    Yup. We just don’t care. That must be it.

  7. You are a raving lunatic focused on utilizing every event for political gain.

    The fact is, that thirty people do not die every day in Iraq, and they are not killed because of mentally ill people. They die because of terrorists who want only anarchy. How can you not blame those who want you dead because you live in America for the people they kill?

    Just like a liberal. Good democrat my eye. You probably couldn’t even define democracy, let alone know how to use it.

  8. The fact is, that thirty people do not die every day in Iraq

    Yes, some days it’s more like 191 dead and 250 wounded, not just a mere 30.

    Of course, the “30” figure is hard to verify one way or another since our side doesn’t make any attempt to find out just how many Iraqis do die every day. We only keep track of our side, and then we try to keep as quiet as we can about the numbers of wounded who didn’t die but who are now maimed for life, or those who didn’t die until they were shipped off to a medical unit somewhere (in which case the death doesn’t count as an “in action” kind of death).

  9. The fact is, that thirty people do not die every day in Iraq, and they are not killed because of mentally ill people. They die because of terrorists who want only anarchy.

    huh, who best fits the definition of sick in the head but terrorists…

  10. according to the very conservative estimates of the Iraq Body Watch organisation (they insist on two separate sources for each death, so there are probably many more) civilian deaths in Iraq are running at 79 per day.
    Per day, every single day.

    Americans killed in the US as result of gun violence- 81 per day, every single day.

    Can someone please explain to me why someone shouldn’t invade the US to save them from their own WMD’s? Apart from the fact that Americans have the remedy in their own hands, and refuse to use it.

  11. OUTSTANDING ENTRY!!!!! It’s refreshing to see somebody with some good old common sense making!

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