Mitt Romney on Why His Sons Are Not Serving in Iraq

August 8, 2007 at 2:06 pm | Posted in America, American politics, Iraq, Mit Romney, Mitt Romney, Republicans | 17 Comments

here you go:

“One of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected because they think I’d be a great president.”

So that it isn’t taken out of context, this was the question:

Question: “Hi, my name’s Rachel Griffiths, thank you so much for being here and asking for our comments. And I appreciate your recognizing the Iraq War veteran. My question is how many of your five sons are currently serving in the U.S. military and if none of them are, how do they plan to support this War on Terrorism by enlisting in our U.S. military?”

So it really isn’t taken out of context. The woman asked how his sons are planning to support the WOT by enlisting. Romney’s answer is that their support of this nation is by campaigning for him, because they think he would be a great president.

Can you say, OUT OF TOUCH!

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  1. Dan, the woman’s question is loaded. It’s more of a suggestion than it is a question.

    Look at how she phrasese the last part: “…how do they plan to support this War on Terrorism by enlisting in our U.S. military?”

    My response would have been: “What my sons do is up to them. If they want to join the military, I support that decision. If they want to help my campaign to get me elected as the next POTUS so I can help win the WOT, I support that decision as well.”

    Hillary voted for the war. Is her daughter enlisting in the military so she can help win the WOT?? If she is not, how does she plan to support this WOT by enlisting in our U.S. military??

  2. This lady’s logic is flawed, but its one that you see often. A choice to join the armed service is the individuals—not their parents. Its just a variation on the hypocrite logical fallacy that’s all too common also.

  3. I agree that the question is loaded, Brian. It’s more that Romney ranted on until he basically put his foot in his mouth, and said this. I think it is revealing of political leaders who so rarely allow or encourage their sons to enlist in the army. Say what you will of Michael Moore, but his little trick in Farenheit 9/11, going around the capitol and asking congressmen to sign up their children for the war was priceless. I believe the statistic at that point was only one congressman had a son or daughter enlisted.

    I hate to bring up the chickenhawk point, but really, if you are so gungho and patriotic about our military and their fight, having none of your FIVE sons joining the army is quite telling.

  4. I hate to bring up the chickenhawk point, but really, if you are so gungho and patriotic about our military and their fight, having none of your FIVE sons joining the army is quite telling.

    Is it? Could it be that the sons simply didn’t want to, that because their parents are wealthy they chose to go on to college first and weren’t attracted to the military etc. Perhaps its because they served missions and didn’t want to further suspend their college education? Who knows what the reason was, but I don’t think the logical leap you’re making is much more than a logical leap.

    As far as Moore goes-that was a priceless trick…but that’s all it was.

  5. Eh, I tend to see that there really are at least two classes in America. The filthy rich who can get off easy and find excuses to avoid military service, and then the rest of the bunch, who are lured into service through paying off college, etc. What incentive do the rich have to “serve their country” by joining the military? It is a sacrifice they don’t see worthy of their limited time. Yes, these are generalizations I’m making here.

  6. Yes, those are definitely generalizations.

    🙂

  7. No one would care about Romney’s five sons one way or the other if the governor weren’t presenting himself as a pro-war uber hawk who is damned eager to send other peoples’ sons (and presumably daughters) off to war.

  8. “Eh, I tend to see that there really are at least two classes in America. The filthy rich who can get off easy and find excuses to avoid military service, and then the rest of the bunch, who are lured into service through paying off college, etc.”

    I will admit that yes, the “filthy rich” don’t see an incentive to join the military to pay of school, but does that mean that they have no incentive to join anyway. Simply because they’re rich doesn’t negate the possiblity that they may still be patriotic. And then, just because someone isn’t rich doesn’t mean that they are immediately going to turn to the military for school. There are many reasonably priced schools all over the us where one doesn’t have to pay through the roof for a good education.

  9. They look like pretty accurate generalizations to me. Rich people don’t fight in wars; if it is at all possible, they try to profit from them, instead. Why get your hands dirty (and risk their loss altogether) when you can just as easily pay some other poor slob to do the dirtywork for you?

  10. Simply because they’re rich doesn’t negate the possiblity that they may still be patriotic.

    True. And then, if they are so unfortunate as to find out that their patriotism may have been misplaced, the handsome, articulate, believable ones come home with three, closely packed bullet holes in their foreheads.

  11. Andrew,

    Simply because they’re rich doesn’t negate the possiblity that they may still be patriotic.

    True enough, but one has to wonder why he isn’t asking his sons to make the same sacrifice he asks of others to make for his policies.

  12. Maybe he did, and they decided not to go? Who knows?

  13. But they are perfectly willing to make themselves a part of his campaign. Hmmm……

  14. So they made the decision to help their Dad campaign….but decided not to join the armed forces. I didn’t realize joining the armed forces was a requisite to campaign for your Dad.

    😉

    This point is similar to the following points conservatives make:

    Al Gore is campaigning against global warning and yet the environmental footprint of his house is huge! Therefore Al Gore is a hypocrite and the subject of global warming (I’m using the term cons use) is invalid.

    John Edwards is campaigning to show more awareness on poverty and yet he has a huge house in North Carolina. Therefore he’s a hypocrite to campaign to try and alleviate poverty.

    Anyway, you can try until you’re blue in the face to convince me this is a valid point and not a Ad hominem tu quoque, but let’s just agree to disagree and move on.

  15. Chelsea Clinton flew a fighter jet over Kosovo and Iraq in 1998. She joined the military when her mom voted for war under Bush 43.

    Al Gore III does not sell drugs to kids or speed at 100 mph. He also served on a fighter ship in the 1998.

    John Kerry’s daughter joined the military when John Kerry voted for the Iraq War.

    John Kerry and Tereza Kerry have donated all of their riches to the poor and those with medical bills.

    Bill Clinton has donated his wealth from speaking to charity.

    Nancy Pelosi flies business class in public airlines.

    John Edwards lives in a 2,500 square foot home. So does his friend Al Gore.

    🙂 Why can’t Republicans be just as involved?

  16. Look, i am mostly a moderate and i will tell you that serving in the military is considered low class and looked down upon by the upperclasses, Vietnam taught us that, the poor man who couldn’t afford to go to college got to go bleed and die in some godforsaken jungle, while the rich kid got a colledge defferment, this shows how skewed our culture’s perception of duty and service to one’s country is, we need to wake up or our culture and way of life will collapse, we need to bring the upper classes back into the military asap.

  17. Ok. I am the new kid on this blog, but you all make me laugh! First off, I want to say that I am Active Duty Air Force. I have served in Iraq, Italy, Albania, Turkey and a few other places that you probably can’t find on a globe with out googling it first.

    In all my time in the Air Force I have never heard of anyone serving there county because they are patriotic. It just doesn’t happen any more. I’m not sure it has ever happend. This is a JOB! Like it or not, money is why the vast majority of our troop serve.

    That being said, this is a job with big benefits and not so big pay checks. But keep in mind that big benefits and any pay check looks good compared to no benefits and no pay check. I once had some one tell me that “the military is a quick ticket to a middle class life.” How right they are. The reason “rich people” dont join is because a middle class life is a step down. So the next question would be. Why would the Romney boys join the military? The risk just wouldn’t be worth the reward. If they did join I personaly would think there was something wrong with them. As for “bringing the upper classes BACK into the military. I dont think the upper class was ever in the military, and why would you want to bring a bunch of hoyty toyty pampered babies into a war zone? The military is already to soft, and bringing in the upper class would only worse the situation we are in.

    What we need to do is take our biggest bombs in to Iraq, Iran, Afganistan and anywhere esle that wants to kill all infidels (any american man woman or child) and end this war like we did in Japan. But that is a blog for another time.

    The Bear


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