American War Hawks, Wrong on Iraq, Wrong on Iran

December 11, 2007 at 9:01 pm | Posted in America, American politics, Bush Administration, conservatives, corruption, Iran, Iraq, War | 12 Comments

They were wrong about Iraq. So they shifted their target to Iran. Now that the NIE has proven them wrong, I wonder who the next target will be. Will they turn on Saudi Arabia, where most of our “real” enemies come from? Will they pick lowly Yemen? We’ve got (or had) a bunch of Yemenis in Guantanamo Bay prison. Maybe Algeria if Islamic insurgents overthrow the military government. We know they won’t shift away from the Middle East. They’re too addicted to the oil. In any case, TalkingPointsMemo created a nice little tribute to America’s warmongers.

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  1. How narrow a view this administration has!! How many times was the word “force” used? Even true neo-conservativism never espoused this crap. This is aggression, pure and simple. How many wars does it take before we understand that the only thing a war does is lay the groundwork for the next confrontation?

    It is sad that a supposed “Christian” nation feels justified in behaving this way, but I guess it’s been going on for ages. “National interest” trumps moral behavior again. And in analyzing that “national interest” we must ask: who will pay the cost and who reaps the benefit? Think about the answers and see if the action of war is ever justified.

  2. Well, I guess maybe we should ask Hillary Clinton (Democratic Presidential front runner) and Harry Reid (D – Senate Majority Leader) about their ‘American war hawk’ votes on the war they ‘were wrong about’:

    Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)

  3. Darren,

    Hey I’m with ya on that.

    Why don’t you ask Obama about his NO vote.

  4. Daniel,

    I would love to ask Obama about his “NO” vote except for the fact that, according to my understanding, his official senatorial voting record starts somewhere in 2005 (or am I wrong?)

    That being said, he did make public statements that indicated his position against the war in 2002.

    The fact remains, however, that the majority of the leadership of the democrat party voted for the original war resolution in 2002. The list of big hitters includes: Biden (D-DE), Clinton (D-NY), Daschle (D-SD), Dodd (D-CT), Edwards (D-NC), Feinstein (D-CA), Kerry (D-MA), Lieberman (D-CT), Reid (D-NV), and Schumer (D-NY) to name a few.

    Not a complete list, but it’s interesting to note that three in that list are current democrat presidential candidates and one was a former democrat presidential front runner. I’m not sure if the TalkingPointsMemo mentioned that or not?

    Now, on a positive note, I compliment and thank you for the important links you have under the “church” section of your blog.

    Take care,

  5. Ah my bad. I forgot he wasn’t a Senator in 2002. He and Al Gore both spoke out against the war, but alas, they were both not tied down to an actual vote. Pity.

    Darren, I don’t excuse Democrats. Besides which, why do you care how Democrats voted? Are you attempting to paint me as a hypocrite for attacking Republicans and not Democrats? While Democrats in 2002 were spineless cowards, it was not they who pressed for this war. The real culprit will always be the Republican party with George Bush at its head. Who cares how Democrats voted. What matters is who pushed for this war and why. What matters is who is pushing for a war against Iran and why. THAT’S what matters.

  6. As a follow up to this dialogue, I guess I was wrong about Obama’s stance before the war started. According to Bill Clinton, Obama indicated he didn’t know how to vote and “shared views” with President Bush when the war resolution was in play:

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/01/08/sot.clinton.obama.fairy.tale.cnn

    To make matters worse, Clinton is claiming that Obama actually removed the speech in question from his web site. Hmmm…

  7. Darren,

    And Bill Clinton is a fountain of truth…

  8. I would have to say that you are in fact a good democrat for that last comment 🙂 Thank you.

  9. DUDE!

    I was poking fun at YOU for trusting Mr. Clinton. What a dope.

  10. Sooooo do you agree or do you not agree with what Clinton said about Obama? What do you think about his remarks about Obama removing speeches from his website and his confusion on the war resolution?

  11. Darren,

    I think that Bill Clinton is an operative of his wife, Hillary in a tough campaign. What he ends up saying may not actually be the truth. If I want to know something Obama did or say, I’m going to go to Obama to find out, not to his primary opponent.

  12. That’s a fair comment. I just figured there would be more respect for the darling rock star of the democratic party. I agree with questioning Bill’s motivations and level of truth on the matter.

    Let me know what Obama says about the removal of the speech from his website.


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