Iraqis Want a Timetable for Withdrawal

July 8, 2008 at 10:50 am | Posted in American politics | 14 Comments

They want us out. Most Americans want out. John McCain wants to stay for 100 years, maybe 1000, maybe 10,000.

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  1. The kicker is that GWB et al want to STAY longer than the Iraqis want us there. If the object of the war were the freedom and self-governance of the Iraqi, we can FINALLY state: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

    But since that was never the “mission” at all, the administration is fighting the will of free Iraq. This proves, more than anything, that the war is really about oil, Israel, and imperialism.

  2. Obama wants us there for 100 years, maybe 1000, maybe 10,000. You just can’t win.

  3. Really, nasamomdele? Where did he say that? Offer your evidence or crawl back under the dank rock you came out of.

  4. Oh and McCain? He can’t even tell, FOR THE THIRD TIME, that Czechoslovakia is not a country! Silly, silly old man.

  5. According to his site, Obama’s policy is to remove most soldiers from Iraq to Afghanistan, leaving a contingent of troops in Iraq for “special” operations, training Iraqi army, and the like. Virtually identical to McCain and Bush, in principal. There’s other wars to fight…

    McCain is old, Obama is all rhetoric, no facts, no details. Bush is stupid. What do you do?

    I will go find my dank rock. You sure are different on your own blog.

  6. Nasamomdele,

    They are in no way shape or form identical. Let me put this simply, so that you can understand clearly.

    Obama wants to end the war in Iraq.

    McCain wants to continue the war in Iraq.

    It is really that simple.

  7. That was so easy for you to say, but so hard to back up considering Obama’s platform on Iraq as posted on his website.

    And where do you get the idea that McCain wants to continue the war- and what war? At this point, such an assertion is simply out of touch.

    I like both Obama and McCains’s strategies 1) because they are similar and 2) because they are wise. Although Obama has some explaining to do stating his policy for Iraq in a big speech when he said he would first consult the generals on the ground- something he will only be doing in the near future. Their foreign policies are very similar. The differences lies mostly in domestic policy.

  8. nasamomdele,

    As you usual you do not offer your evidence but keep repeating the lie (a usual tactic conservatives use, thinking that if a lie is repeated long enough, it will be considered the truth). The new meme among conservatives is to show how little difference there is between John McCain and Barack Obama, or Barack Obama and George W. Bush (as if John McCain is the anti-Bush! Ha!). You guys are silly, and it shows how sad a state we are in that your type are even allowed to be in power or in positions of influence. How far our nation has fallen!

    Now, what is Obama’s vision for Iraq? Let’s see.

    Barack Obama believes we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 – more than 7 years after the war began.
    Under the Obama plan, a residual force will remain in Iraq and in the region to conduct targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel. He will not build permanent bases in Iraq, but will continue efforts to train and support the Iraqi security forces as long as Iraqi leaders move toward political reconciliation and away from sectarianism.

    Now, what does John McCain say? Let’s see:

    Those gains would be lost if we were to follow the policy advocated by Senator Barack Obama to withdraw most of our troops and leave behind only a small “strike force” to battle terrorists. That is, in essence, the same strategy of withdrawing from Iraq’s streets that failed in 2006. John McCain advocates continuing the successful counterinsurgency strategy that began in 2007.

    Sure seems quite, starkly different to me. One wants to “end the war” and one wants to “continue” it. Those are the very words that both candidates use on their official websites.

    Barack Obama – “ending the war.”
    John McCain – “continue”

    Now, offer up your evidence for their similarities, or shut the hell up.

  9. Shut the hell up? Wow. You talk like I’m attacking your religion. I get the feeling I am.

    First of all, AGAIN, you’re not talking to a conservative, you twit.

    Secondly, how is leaving a strike force “ending the war?” Thus the similarity. Regardless of who is president, there is no forseeable “end” to U.S. troops in Iraq. The ac tual “War” may be over sooner than that anyway. The issue is not war, but level of troops remaining.

    Obama: a residual force will remain in Iraq and in the region to conduct targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel.

    McCain: continuing the successful counterinsurgency strategy that began in 2007.

    The counterinsurgency strategy calls for a drawdown in troop levels over time. The surge levels have already been reduced to pre-surge levels.

    It also sounds like Obama plans to run a counterinsurgency strategy.

    Even so, we’re talking two recipes for the same soup. In the end, whoever is elected will follow a course the other would have. The U.N. mandate for American occupation ends soon and little security agreements have been reached. The best thing America can do is call Iraq on it’s timetable to see what they really want. After all, we have a moral obligation to Iraqis.

    This election, especially, has a wider gap between reality and promises than any other in recent memory.

  10. You keep repeating Republican talking points and expect me to believe that you are not Republican? Puhlease!

    Go away dude.

  11. Registered Democrat. I just don’t drink Kool-aid. It gives me the runs.

  12. Huh, in all the conversations I’ve had with you, I’ve consistently heard you support Bush, McCain, the war in Iraq, and everything else that is at the heart of the Republican world. You’re no Democrat. Go away.

  13. Huh. I call Bush an Idiot, I call out McCain like I call out Obama, yet I somehow obviously fall into one party.

    Not every Democrat thinks as unreasonably as you.

    My reasoning stands apart from my political affiliations. I highly recommend it.

    Your reasoning and Obama’s which I hope will change after meeting with folks in Iraq) is that we can force Iraq into terms. The Democratic Party wants to put Iraq into a corner and force them to have the strength to defend themselves, their populace, and their human rights. It’s a load of crap. It’s anti-human and inane.

    For that reason, I don’t believe Obama will follow through with his timetable on his own. He’ll have to commit a lot of attention to Iraq, as well as resources. Personally, and unfortunately, I think we’ll be looking at a “time horizon” no matter what, but I think it’s the wisest thing and most morally right thing.

  14. I hope Obama doesn’t go back on his promise to have America leave Iraq. That’s what I am voting him in office for. That’s why I voted for him instead of Hillary here in New York’s primary.

    Out. Of. Iraq.

    He has four years to do it in. I’m not going to hold him to 16 months. But I will hold him to the end of his term. If he cannot do it by 2012, then someone else must take his place.

    My belief is not unreasonable, and neither is Obama’s. We both believe the war in Iraq was a dumb diversion from the real war against Al-Qaeda. Bush and McCain don’t think this way. They think Iraq was central. It is not. They are wrong. Obama and I are right. You side with Bush in this case, nasamomdele. You side on the wrong side. Go away.


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