Robert Gates Is Forced To Apologize For Civilian Deaths in Afghanistan

September 17, 2008 at 4:43 am | Posted in American politics | 9 Comments

I’m sure it must be grating. Let me give you some advice. Stop killing civilians.



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  1. Pesky civilians keep getting in the way of our government doing God’s work over there.

    I guess they must take the view that God will sort them all out.

  2. You know, not as many Afghan civilians would be killed if we had a proper sized force in Afghanistan…oh wait, they’re stuck in Iraq…

  3. At risk of pointing out the obvious here, not so many Afghan civilians would be killed if we had no forces in Afghanistan at all.

  4. while that is true, we did actually need to go in there in the first place.

  5. Why do you believe that Dan? The Taliban was ready to hand bin Laden over on a silver platter. Afghanistan never attacked us. Our war in Afghanistan is a war of aggression, the supreme international crime. For a little info on the willingness of Afghanistan to hand over bin Laden before we attacked, see here:

  6. radicalmormon,

    You may not like this, but I was for removing the Taliban way back in 1998 when they destroyed those Buddhist statues. That was their time to go, in my opinion. Frankly, we waited too long to remove them.

  7. Dan,
    I appreciate your opinion and your sense of justice. However, I am opposed to US military intervention in a country’s affairs since the US usually has an alternative motive for taking said action. I don’t know what the right thing to do in every situation is, but when we go to a country to bomb them to bits in order to remove their government, we do harm beyond anything we can imagine here in the states from our cozy rocking chairs.

    Brigham Young once said, “How easy it is for the Almighty to direct the steps of our enemies, until they fall off the precipice and are dashed in pieces, without the efforts of his servants.”

    Does the Lord need us to go out and remove the wicked from their place? Again Young said, “It is written that the Lord will destroy the wicked, and He has done so by bringing about circumstances to cause them to destroy themselves.”

    Again, Brigham said the reason we often go to war is as follows: “Just as soon as our eyes are turned away from watching ourselves, to see whether we do right, we begin to see faults in our neighbors; this is the great difficulty, and our minds become more and more blinded until we become entirely darkened… The main difficulty in the hearts of those who are dissatisfied is, they are not satisfied with themselves… If you want a revolution go to work to improve yourselves and give your minds something to act upon instead of looking at the faults of others… But, says one, ‘I want to fight.’ Do all such persons know that they are not right? If they will examine their hearts, they will find a wicked anger and a malice there; and they cannot get into the kingdom of God with those feelings.”

    If you want to know how I view war and the gospel of Jesus Christ in more detail, I’ve compiled a bunch of prophet’s and general authorities quotes here:

  8. radicalmormon,

    Thanks for sharing all that. All I can say is that we are justified to some actions, but not most. The Taliban were a scourge in Afghanistan and needed to be removed. But alas, Americans decided to vote in George Bush instead of Al Gore in 2000, and as such we were stuck with a complete incompetent in charge, and he readily messed it all up.

  9. The testimony given at the Winter Soldier event held earlier this year should convince us that the US is in no position to be doing any sort of military intervention anywhere anytime. Testimony of this sort:

    “One time they said to fire on all taxicabs because the enemy was using them for transportation…One of the snipers replied back, ‘Excuse me? Did I hear that right? Fire on all taxicabs?’ The lieutenant colonel responded, ‘You heard me, trooper, fire on all taxicabs.’ After that, the town lit up, with all the units firing on cars. This was my first experience with war, and that kind of set the tone for the rest of the deployment.”

    Or this:

    “Something else we were encouraged to do, almost with a wink and nudge, was to carry ‘drop weapons’, or by my third tour, ‘drop shovels’. We would carry these weapons or shovels with us because if we accidentally shot a civilian, we could just toss the weapon on the body, and make them look like an insurgent,” Washburn said.

    Or this:

    Vincent Emanuele, a Marine rifleman who spent a year in the al-Qaim area of Iraq near the Syrian border, told of emptying magazines of bullets into the city without identifying targets, running over corpses with Humvees and stopping to take “trophy” photos of bodies. “An act that took place quite often in Iraq was taking pot shots at cars that drove by,” he said. “This was not an isolated incident, and it took place for most of our eight-month deployment.”

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