Glenn Beck’s Insanity Continues to Get Worse

April 10, 2009 at 7:35 pm | Posted in American politics | 11 Comments

when even Little Green Footballs thinks this stuff is whacked, that should tell you something. I mean, really, “burn books?”

At a “Project 912 Glenn Beck Tea Party,” an unnamed speaker rants about “infiltration by the Communist Party” (a John Birch Society talking point), says that digital cable boxes are “brainwashing machines” planted in our homes by the government, and swears to stop paying taxes. The rant begins at about 1:58.

This is some really deranged stuff, and the audience is eating it up.

And notice the comment about evolution at about 5:00:

Woman: [Shouts] “Burn the books!” [applause]

Man: “I don’t think you were serious about that, were you?”

Woman: “I am too.”

Man: “Burn all the books?!”

Woman: “The ones in college, those, those brainwashing books.”

Man: “[laughs] Brainwashing books?”

Woman: “Yes.”

Man: “Which ones are those?”

Woman: “Like, the evolution crap, and, yeah…”

You know, a certain hardcore right wing group over in Germany believed in burning books…

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  1. Hi,

    I hate book-banning and book-burning with a passion. For me, that is the epitome of unreasoned fear and ignorance. I suspect that most, if not all, people who desire to burn/ban books do not read books. If one is a reader of books, then books feel too “special/sacred” to destroy.

    A reader and lover of books is usually able to understand that there will always be many books that contain words that are noxious and contrary to one’s own beliefs. But, secure in one’s own belief that it is supremely wrong to forbid others to read what they choose, a reader allows other readers their own freedom.

    Suggestions as above by the woman who wants to “burn books” are not reflective of our Constitution, and though I am a staunch conservative in my values and beliefs, her words are wrong and made out of ignorance.

    I do fail to see, though, the connection to Glenn Beck in this particular post. I’m unclear on why the title of the post speaks of “Glenn Beck’s insanity …gets worse;” how does this have anything to do with Glenn Beck? Was he present and also calling for book-burnings?

  2. ConservativePup,

    If you read carefully, this woman spoke up about burning books at one of Glenn Beck’s 9/12 project tea party meeting.

  3. Yes, I read that. But why is this evidence of Glenn Beck’s “insanity” getting worse? Again, was he there? Has he advocated burning books? I’m really not trying to be obtuse, but I can’t imagine that you think that he is responsible for and shares a belief in book-burning because some unnamed woman calls for it at a gathering that bears his name.

    I know many people are put off by Beck’s demeanor and comments, and the day I hear HIM say to burn books I will join you in your condemnation of him, but until then, I continue to ask, how does this woman’s radical and wrong comment prove Beck’s “insanity?”

  4. ConservativePup,

    Obviously I don’t have any evidence that Glenn Beck himself has ever said we ought to burn evolution books. The insanity of Glenn Beck is not that he himself says these things, but that he INCITES others to say them! He creates the avenue on which people can bring out their greatest fears.

  5. Daniel,

    I still think that, while it’s tempting to blame Beck for “inciting” these comments, it is ultimately that woman’s own comment, and she owns it. Many things have been said on both sides that are dangerously extreme, and there is currently a message forum that I’ve browsed called ‘obamasomething’, (sorry I can’t remember the name) that is making a forum list of websites that need to be “shut down.” These are all, of course, conservative-type websites. I do not hold Obama responsible for these loonies, for that is what they are–crazies who can tolerate no differing opinions.

    To me, they fall into the same category as the woman, or anyone, who calls for burning books. But I’m not going to write a post blaming the president.

    Thank you for exercising your 1st amendment right, and for allowing me to do the same. Have a good day today.

  6. ConservativePup,

    But to be appropriately comparative, Obama would have to say things that incite people to create such websites. There is no evidence at all that Obama himself has stoked the fires of hate in his followers. The same cannot be said for Beck. Take for instance that crazy fellow in Pittsburgh who shot people up. He was stoked to that level of fear by Glenn Beck.

  7. No he wasn’t. He was a mentally unbalanced person. I am a mentally healthy person and even though I have listened to Glenn Beck quite a bit, I am not incited to hurt anyone or burn any books. Honestly, I haven’t heard him say anything that even sounds like he is trying to incite such violence and insanity. Just curious, do you listen to him, or just see the video clips on youtube?

    We can blame others all day long for the actions of a killer, the words of the ignorant, and all the pain and miseries of our own. In the end, we all either choose and believe in 1)personal accountability, or 2)victimization and holding second and third parties responsible for actions of people they don’t even know. I fall into the first group; you fall into the second group, and I doubt very much that we will come to agree on this.

    Do you honestly believe that Glenn Beck’s statements are responsible for the sick crazy man murdering policemen, or are you just saying this to make the debate more interesting?

    I think you may be confusing what Glenn Beck has said with what some liberal media were saying after that tragedy happened in Pittsburgh. I know I heard the expected blame placed on “conservative talk” , and if I didn’t listen to Glenn Beck for myself, I wouldn’t have known that it was just musings of former journalists, rather than actual news reporting.

  8. Obama would have to say things that incite people to create such websites. There is no evidence at all that Obama himself has stoked the fires of hate in his followers.

    You mean like this website? It is as full of hate and stupidity as anything on the Glen beck show.

    Dan, before you start calling Beck insane, you might want to look up “projection” in the dictionary.

  9. ConservativePup,

    Honestly, I haven’t heard him say anything that even sounds like he is trying to incite such violence and insanity. Just curious, do you listen to him, or just see the video clips on youtube?

    I had the misfortune of seeing him this Saturday at my father in law’s house (ex-marine, rather ignorant of the world, but strongly conservative). Sadly, Mr. Beck ranted on about Obama being fascist, showed streams of images and videos of Hitler and tried to make a comparison between Obama and Hitler. Now tell me, how does a normal American think about Hitler? Was he a good guy or a bad guy? Now, if you compare today’s president to Hitler, what kind of message are you trying to send out to the normal American? That the current president is America’s greatest enemy? After all, that was Hitler. He was our most formidable foe.

    If you try to make a comparison to Hitler at least let there be some actual comparisons. For example, some on the left had argued that Bush was like Hitler for his disregard for transparency, for his use of the media to control propaganda, and for torture. There were some similarities there (though I’ve never made that argument, because it was silly to make, and of course you run into the logical fallacy “reductio ad hitlerum” which decreases the credibility of what you say), but there are really no similarities whatsoever between Obama and Hitler, and to make such a comparison is just silly, stupid, and dumb. It should make any sensible person question the sanity of the person making that claim, as I do of Beck.

    We can blame others all day long for the actions of a killer, the words of the ignorant, and all the pain and miseries of our own. In the end, we all either choose and believe in 1)personal accountability, or 2)victimization and holding second and third parties responsible for actions of people they don’t even know. I fall into the first group; you fall into the second group, and I doubt very much that we will come to agree on this.

    Believe me, I don’t hold Beck responsible for that man pulling the trigger and shooting people. That man is ultimately responsible for his own sins and crimes. However, I do hold the likes of Beck responsible for sowing unwarranted fear. When you say a fascist leads our country like the one we had to sacrifice 400,000 Americans to defeat, you’re inciting fear and hatred. It is unhealthy for a democracy. It erodes confidence in our system of governance and of public communication and trust. That conservatives don’t stop this nonsense but circle their wagons closer and closer around such idiocy proves that they prefer such language to more sensible debates. For a modern conservative, it is okay to call a Democratic president a fascist, socialist Marxist. If a Democrat were to call Bush exactly those terms, they would cry foul. It sparks fury over the ugly hypocrisy in public debate about how to lead our nation onward. IOIYAR (It’s Okay If You Are Republican) is a common phrase in the liberal blogosphere to account for that hypocrisy.

    Finally, if Glenn Beck can with impunity say whatever the hell he wants about President Obama, then I am perfectly within my rights to call him insane, and I don’t need to justify my language. I would hope, ConservativePup, to see you call on Glenn Beck to justify his language as you do mine. Or do you think it is okay for him to use such language in political talk? Let me see you stand up against him like you do me. It seems you want a healthier debate in politics, but to this point I only see you ask that of a liberal blogger. Let me see you ask it of a conservative voice. One who has the ear of many conservatives today.

  10. I also don’t like it when anybody actually calls Obama, Bush, or any other American “Hitler.” A.H. was an evil person who remains in a class all his own for evil.

    I do however, understand and share the concern that many Americans have right now about the socialistic nature of many of the new policies, primarily economic, that our new administration has installed. And please note, I said “socialistic nature of ….policies”–I am not calling anyone a socialist.

    Glenn Beck comparing Obama’s policies to Hitler’s policies does not constitute hate speech, IMO. Please note, I said “policies.” As he shares the same 1st amendment right that we do, he has the right to express his opinion that some of our new policies are, in his opinion, reminiscent of Nazi Germany’s policies after Hitler came into power.

    You most certainly have the right to say whatever you want to say, about Beck or anybody, within legal limits. Didn’t mean to suggest otherwise, just initially didn’t understand your post.

    As for me calling on Glenn Beck “to justify his language”, I feel no need to do so. I’ve listened to the liberal left call President Bush “Hitler” outright for the past eight years. Glenn Beck is not doing this.

    And, since you brought it up, I would appreciate it if you would provide the link to the post where you ask your fellow liberals to justify calling Bush “Hitler”. I see that your blog goes back to 2006, and I know I was hearing that back then. I apologize that I don’t have the time to find it for myself.

  11. As you feel no need to do so, neither do I.


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