Churchill’s England and Hitler’s Germany Did Not Use Torture

April 24, 2009 at 8:20 am | Posted in American politics | 15 Comments

Andrew Sullivan has examples of both.

In both cases, the two men in charge of interrogating enemy spies and soldiers never once laid their hands on their detainees. Surely in the most dire war to face both nations, both Germany and England, you’d think, based on the rationale used by most Mormons today and conservative Americans, that Germany and England both should have relied on torture to gain the edge they needed to win. But no, neither the Germans nor the British resorted to torture in their conflict. That is World War II.

Speaking of World War II, the Japanese DID use waterboarding against US soldiers. Guess what? We tried and convicted those who did waterboard. Waterboarding is torture. And it is illegal under US law.

UPDATE:

It looks like the British did indeed torture, and it seems it was out of vengeance rather than gaining information from detainees. There’s some pretty sadistic crap there.

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  1. The Nazis didn’t torture people?!?!? Really, Daniel? How would you classify the harsh treatment of the prisoners confined in concentration camps?

  2. Brian,

    The Nazis tortured people yes. The military didn’t torture enemy soldiers. Note what I am talking about in the piece. I’m talking about the actual conflict between Germany, Britain and the United States. Neither of the three countries tortured their enemy soldiers. That says a lot.

  3. “The military didn’t torture enemy soldiers.”

    So all the Allied POW testimony (especially that of virtually every downed aircrew) were lies.

    I see.

  4. SCA,

    Give examples please.

  5. Daniel,

    I think it rather odd to hold the Nazi army up as a pillar of moral behavior during war, especially given the brutal strategies employed against civillian populations during the invasion of Poland and other eastern-bloc countries during WWII.

  6. Brian,

    I’m not in any way shape or form holding them up as a “pillar of moral behavior.” I’m saying that even with their depravity in war, they did NOT torture American or British soldiers. Even though their nation was at a mortal threat of annihilation by the British, Americans, and Russians.

    What I am essentially saying is that the argument that we must torture because we’re facing an existential threat is poppycock.

  7. Fair enough, Daniel. I’m just not willing to give the Nazi’s any props whatsoever. That’s just me. I understand what you are saying, though.

    I’m curious to see if SC&A has any documented stories of torture by the Nazi army. I did some quick Google searches, but didn’t find any meaningful hits.

  8. Brian,

    I doubt you will find any, at least on American or British soldiers (heck I think they treated Russians soldiers decently too). The Germans hated, HATED Jews. They didn’t hate the British. Or the French, or the Americans. It’s understandable based on what they thought about Jews that they would act as they did. That’s not to say it was good. It was evil. But the reason no Frenchman or British or American was found in the concentration camps tells you something about why they did what they did, and why they were rather respectful to the French, the British and the Americans.

  9. Ah, good a few examples. Thank you. Now we can say America of today is on the same level of morality as Nazi Germany.

  10. That is a specious remark, at best.

    The Al Qaeda prisoners were in no way treated in the same way Allied POW’s were.

  11. SCA,

    Actually they were. We’ve beaten them, sleep deprived them, forced dietary changes on them, etc. The only thing the Germans apparently didn’t do on us was waterboarding. Heh…The Japanese however were not afraid to waterboard American soldiers. We then turned around and convicted those Japanese for waterboarding. My how times have changed.

  12. “The Germans hated, HATED Jews. They didn’t hate the British. Or the French, or the Americans. It’s understandable based on what they thought about Jews that they would act as they did. That’s not to say it was good. It was evil. But the reason no Frenchman or British or American was found in the concentration camps tells you something about why they did what they did, and why they were rather respectful to the French, the British and the Americans.”

    WTF!

  13. Too bad the Brits did not torture and then kill every German Nazi bastard they go t their hands on.

  14. what would be the point? to show we are no different than the German Nazi bastard?


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