Republican Congressman: Obama an “enemy to humanity”

September 29, 2009 at 1:24 pm | Posted in American politics | 6 Comments

There is no equivalent to the vicious hate from the right.

“Obama’s first act as president of any consequence, in the middle of a financial meltdown, was to send taxpayers’ money overseas to pay for the killing of unborn children in other countries…there’s almost nothing that you should be surprised at after that.

“We shouldn’t be shocked that he does all these other insane things. A president that has lost his way that badly, that has no ability to see the image of God in these little fellow human beings, if he can’t do that right, then he has no place in any station of government and we need to realize that he is an enemy of humanity.”

And pray, what do you do to an “enemy of humanity?” Do you let such an enemy live?

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  1. What scares me most isn’t the rhetoric of the right. Its a guy that has categorized his world into “left” and “right” and then blames the “right” for everything. What a narrow way to look at the world! Good heavens, open your eyes! Do you know how many different types of people, ideas, different agendas there are on the left and on the right? There are groups on the right you would agree with on many topics, and conversely groups on the left you would likely disagree with.

    Your blame-the-right game is divisive. Do you not believe that together, those willing from the left and the right can help solve our problems? Kind of like the founders–you had federalists and anti-federalists and others in-between. Not to minimize the great the debate that was to be had between these ideas–but these people worked together. They compromised, and they formed the government we now have. We’ve seen a lot of improvements to our society and government since then. We’ve also seen some degradation. But do you really think you’re going to get anywhere with your blind rhetoric against anything you see as being on the “right”?

    The topic of abortion is really interesting among conservatives. They really are much more complacent about the issue than you would ever give them credit for. Even though many among them view an abortion as murder, they generally stand silent (I’m talking about general trends here). Its really only the prospects of government forcing all taxpayers to pay for abortions that get conservatives riled up in large numbers over this issue. Being the centrists that I am, it really seems that a good solution that would still allow for abortions (thus satisfying the Women’s Right camp) would be to not use tax dollars to fund such procedures. Just don’t do it. Spend money on whatever else–just don’t touch abortion. There is plenty enough money floating around leftists organizations to still fund all the abortions you want–and conservatives will really just stand by as long as they don’t have to pay for it.

  2. Edward,

    Your blame-the-right game is divisive. Do you not believe that together, those willing from the left and the right can help solve our problems?

    I’m divisive? Just look at the current health care debate. Note that Democrats have been bending over backwards to fill the health care bill with Republican points, and yet, still NO REPUBLICAN has been voting for it! Don’t talk to me about “working together.” That’s bullcrap. I’d love to see the two sides working together, but right now, we have irresponsible people in charge of the Republican/conservative movement. Sorry man, there is no equivalent on the left. Note the irresponsible war in Iraq. Look how many Democrats voted for it. There is no comparison dude. I wish there was. But right now, Republicans/conservatives are so far gone into their hateful world that they are truly not worthy of anything but scorn.

  3. You’re swinging some good rhetoric there Daniel. Don’t get me wrong, our current healthcare system is broken, but it isn’t hateful to oppose the proposed reforms. You don’t have to convince me how irresponsible the republicans have been and are. But what is your solution? To stoop to their level? To just start name calling? Demonize your widely generalized opponent (“the right”) and call their every move “hateful”. And then top that off by only looking at your own camp with blinders on. “There is no equivalent!” Now THAT is what we call “bull crap”.

    Republicans are downing healthcare because their constituents are putting a lot of pressure on them. Our current broken healthcare system was created in large part due to government policies favoring large insurance and healthcare providers. These companies have lobbied hard and have received much more power and control than they ever should have. The Republicans are the greatest supporters of this lobby, but Democrats have gone along with it too. The question now of much more government control and funding will certainly address cost and access issues, however conservatives worry that this will greatly diminish quality and that cost controls will eventually have to be put in place–hence the much trumped up rhetoric of “death panels”. You know though, it is an honest debate. Both sides, whether they are misguided or not, in large part have sincere interests. Calling one side “hateful” really doesn’t represent the truth of the matter well.

    I really consider myself an outsider to this whole healthcare debate. Our system is broken and costs are inflationary (literally). The proposed healthcare reforms would improve many aspects of the system, but honestly it is just not sustainable. Anyone that can read a graph knows that we can only pay for this using debt. That can only last for so long. The real sustainable solutions aren’t even being discussed.

    Oh, and I’m curious as to your take on left vs. right. ELF–right or left wing extremists? “Truthers”, right or left? Weather Underground?

  4. Edward,

    Of course it isn’t hateful to be opposed to health care reform, but Republicans are not opposed to health care reform, at least in rhetoric. They admit that there needs to be reform. Democrats are saying, “fine, come join us at the table, offer up what you have and let’s work together.” Republicans gave them things, but in the end no Republican will vote for this. Not a single one. The reason is not because they are against health care reform, but because they are playing politics. They wish to destroy the Democratic Party by obstructing any kind of effort by the Democrats to actually get things done. This is their strategy, Edward. They say so themselves in leaked strategy memos! Bill Kristol, one of the defacto heads of the Republican party has stated this on numerous occasions. See, Republicans know that if Democrats pass this bill, they will be rewarded by constituents at the polls. Medicare is popular, very very popular. Give constituents more Medicare type things and they will be happy. This is not what Republicans want, so they will obstruct simply to obstruct.

    What is my solution? Personally I would prefer to simply ignore Republicans all together, but sadly that is impossible today. Particularly in the Senate, probably the worst institution created by the Founding Fathers to this day.

    And then top that off by only looking at your own camp with blinders on.

    I’m guessing you haven’t frequented my blog for long. Otherwise you would have seen numerous instances where I denounce the Democrats in Congress as cowards, and so on. I’m an issue person, Edward. I’d like to see particular things done. Whoever obstructs those things will get my scorn.

    Our current broken healthcare system was created in large part due to government policies favoring large insurance and healthcare providers.

    Begun by the Nixon administration. Republicans. Favoring the corporation over the individuals. No surprise.

    however conservatives worry that this will greatly diminish quality and that cost controls will eventually have to be put in place–hence the much trumped up rhetoric of “death panels”

    But screaming “death panels” undermines the seriousness of the concern. If they truly have concern about the quality and cost controls, then speak to those things. Otherwise, if we hear “death panels” then we cannot take Republicans seriously, and scorn is thus the answer.

    Calling one side “hateful” really doesn’t represent the truth of the matter well.

    Um, calling the president of the United States “an enemy to humanity” is hateful. It is beyond hateful, but for the current debate, it fits right in. Thus I call this man hateful. And I would be correct. I would also be correct that there never has been an equivalent Democratic Congressman who said something so denigrating of the Republican president of the United States.

    Oh, and I’m curious as to your take on left vs. right. ELF–right or left wing extremists? “Truthers”, right or left? Weather Underground?

    What’s ELF?

    Truthers are silly. As are birthers. But truthers in particular because they actually believe that the government of the United States of America is that good at hiding itself and executing a plan that no rational person could see their footprint. If the United States government was that good, then surely they are capable of handling anything.

    Weather Underground? Are you kidding me? Why are we talking about the Weather Underground today? Then again, I keep forgetting that conservatives are mentally stuck in 1939. I guess eventually some of them get stuck mentally in 1969. Pretty soon, maybe when we’re in the 2050s they’ll finally get stuck in 2009.

  5. I didn’t ask whether the Weather Underground was relevant today. The question was whether they were “left” or “right”. You haven’t heard of ELF? They blew up a couple radio towers last week. The same question stands. Right or left? Your statement, “There is no equivalent” is hard to really quantify. My only point is that there are crazies on both sides. It is impossible to know which side has more of them. Maybe there are more on the right…but how would anyone even be able to determine that? I mean there is no standard definition for what a radical really is. Certainly groups on the left which have been labeled as “radicals” you wouldn’t consider as such. Same on the right. Once again, I just don’t think that grouping your opposition into one large group and labeling them all as “hateful” represents the truth.

    “Calling the president of the United States ‘an enemy to humanity’ is hateful”. You REALLY think there is no equivalent to this on the left during the Bush years? I mean really? I’d certainly prefer that this rhetoric wasn’t used on the right or the left. But there IS equivalent on the left. If you really want me to look up some quotes I will. I don’t like any of it. But it’s been going on since the beginning of politics. None of this is really new.

  6. Edward,

    You’re going to have to give me more than “they blew up a couple of radio towers.” I still have no frame of reference. I’ve never heard of them, and I really have been paying close attention to the news. Never heard of a couple of towers blown up anywhere here in America recently.

    Thank you for clarifying what you were asking. Of course Weather Underground were leftists. They were wacky too. But you’re giving them far too much credit if you compare the Weather Underground to, say, Glenn Beck. They certainly did not have the influence that Beck does. Or that a sitting Congressman does. If I were to attempt to find an equivalent to the Weather Underground, it would probably be like the Eagle Forum, though the Eagle Forum is vastly more influential than the Weather Underground was or ever will be.

    “Calling the president of the United States ‘an enemy to humanity’ is hateful”. You REALLY think there is no equivalent to this on the left during the Bush years?

    By all means, show me a sitting Congressman saying the equivalent of that to George W. Bush. Please. Enlighten me. Remember, we’re not talking about some blogger saying this. We’re talking about a Congressman.


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